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PostSubject: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:22 pm

Try nating bigyan ng tip mga 1st year sa programming.
Before kayo magprogram kelangan isulat muna sa isang papel or kahit sa anong
bagay na pwedeng paglagyan ng idea bago kayo magtype ng actual code.
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:24 pm

di nga???? ganun ba yun??? d ba harap sa pc and try mong mag produce ng code na running then kapag merong d ka ma solve dun ka palang gagamit ng papel at balpen???

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:27 pm

agree ako kay vin-vin..

mas umaandar utak ko pag di ako nakaharap sa pc..

pero kung design or pampa-pogi na ng program, mas ok kung diretso na sa pc..
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:35 pm

syempre sa umpisa pseudo muna.. lalo't naguumpisa ka pa lang. tapos eventually madedevelop din sa kanila yung parang instead na isulat nila sa papel, sa utak na sila nagsusulat ng pseudo nila. Wink

ito ay opinion ko lang... ehehehe

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:35 pm

yap dati ganun ginagawa ko pc kaagad, isipin mo nga gudboy nasa harap ka na ng pc taz mangagailangan ka pa ng papel at ballpen? manyayang kamu diba sir fizhbone, papel at ballpen muna sure makakakita kayo agad ng solutio
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:39 pm

lol! si gudboy kasi napapako kahit anong gamitin nyang paraan. noong freshman sya sobra sa papel kaya hindi nakakatapos... tapos nung tumanda... nasobrahan yata sa harap ng pc kaya hayun.. ganun din.. wala pa ring natatapos... hehehe panay

"under construction" lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:41 pm

wahahaha! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:43 pm

hehe, meron pa lagi kayong titingin ng bagong code na magagamit, sa TC shift F1 press nyo madami dun, at xempre mga tutorials sa http://www.scribd.com da best
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:00 pm

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lol! si gudboy kasi napapako kahit anong gamitin nyang paraan. noong freshman sya sobra sa papel kaya hindi nakakatapos... tapos nung tumanda... nasobrahan yata sa harap ng pc kaya hayun.. ganun din.. wala pa ring natatapos... hehehe panay

"under construction" lol!

atleast meron akong UNDER CONSTRUCTION ahahahahahahahah.....

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:49 pm

ou nga..puro under cronstruction lang..sana wag mong ipamana kay baldo yon!!hohohoho

anyway..to become a good programer, kelangan lang ung tiaga at pagsasautak ng mga itinuturo sa inyo.
at higit sa lahat ay pananalig sa diyos.hohoho


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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:02 pm

I agree sa lahat ng tips nyo but you all forget 1 important practice in writing a good code.

Comment your code:
dahil sa totoo lang makakalimot at makakalimot ka ng code sooner than u think. Suggest ko lang just invest kahit 5% lang in commenting important code specially sa mga baguhan. dahil di self-explanatory ang mga code minsan we forgot what certain line of codes does.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:33 pm

uu nga noh, para sa'kin dapat din na mas intindihin nyo ung logic kung papano ginawa ung program siguro
70% para sa logic taz 30% nyo sa code or syntax, ang code kasi anjan lang yan di naman nawawala madali lang malalaman
pero ung pag-intindi sa logic ng program ay mejo mahirap,


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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:42 pm

Hang out with programmers who are better than you, nakita ko yan sa isang site, tama nga naman, makisama at magtanong ka sa mas mga nakakaalam sa inyo. Tulad kami lagi kaming nagtatanong sa mga instructor, pag di na alam "SIR pano to?", pero dapat itanong nyo ung karapat dapat itanong, baka tinuro na pala sa inyo taz itatanong nyo pa!!! marami din namang willing tumulong sa inyo mula sa higher year anjan si noel bang-asan!!! but please huwag namang umabuso hehe

sir ask ko lang kailangan bang maging magaling sa algebra para maging magaling na programmer?
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:52 pm

valrecx wrote:
Hang out with programmers who are better than you, nakita ko yan sa isang site, tama nga naman, makisama at magtanong ka sa mas mga nakakaalam sa inyo. Tulad kami lagi kaming nagtatanong sa mga instructor, pag di na alam "SIR pano to?", pero dapat itanong nyo ung karapat dapat itanong, baka tinuro na pala sa inyo taz itatanong nyo pa!!! marami din namang willing tumulong sa inyo mula sa higher year anjan si noel bang-asan!!! but please huwag namang umabuso hehe

sir ask ko lang kailangan bang maging magaling sa algebra para maging magaling na programmer?

hindi ako si sir pero my opinion ako dyan sa tanong mo....

para sa akin kailangan lang is basic math and simple logic...

sa tingin mo kailangan mo pa ng mga algebraic xpresion para makagawa???

tama kailangan mo nga!! ahahahahaha... pero basta alam mo basic... yun na... logic???

kailangan mo din yan kc pag mahina logic mo cgurado d mo maiintindihan ung program na ginagawa mo... kumbaga dapat

my imagination ka... simple pero malupit... ahahahahahahaha...


opssss..... opinion ko yan... wala pakialamanan.... Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:57 pm

kapag database cguro kahit wala maxadong math pero pag games maraming math
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:37 am

alam mo kasi ang algebra ginawa lang ng concrete ang abstract. nahihirapan lang kasi yung iba dahil hindi nila marelate sa everyday lives nila. ang pinaka concept lang naman ng algebra ay yung may unknown ka which is palagay ko importante sa programming. kasi panay arbitrary lahat.

since nursery or kinder gamit nyo na algebra kaya lang hindi natin sinasabi na algebra sya. like for example kung tinanong mo ang bata 1 + 1 = ?. yung "?" representation na sya ng number. anu ang pinag kaiba nya sa 1+1=a. kaya lang habang tumatanda tayo medyo complex na ang buhay. at kung symbols lang ang gagamitin natin, hindi kaya ng mga symbol. kaya kailangan natin gamitin yung mga alphabets para represent yung mga numbers.

para i-correct naman si gudboy, pag ginamit mo ang c=a+b, gumamit ka na ng algebraic expression.

hindi lang basic ang kailangan nyong math sa programming. marami kayong branches ng math na ginagamit kaya lang dahil hindi na-introduce sa inyo na math sya kaya hindi nyo alam na branch sya ng math. Medyo maswerte lang kayo at hindi nyo inabutan yung hard coded na pag gawa ng program. kasi halos yung mga gamit natin na compiler or languages ngayon ay may mga functions na at hindi nyo na kailangang gawin. imagine nyo kung kayo pa gagawa nun. yung simpleng paggawa lang ng line or circles, analytic geometry na kayo. Sa paggawa nyo ng sql sa database nyo, symbolic logic na. sa pag gawa nyo ng functions, advance algebra na.

dati ang computer science, under lang sya ng math. BS Math ka major in computer science. kaya lang dahil lumawak ang comp sci, kaya nahiwalay sya.

Anyway, when u say logic in computer science, maybe you are trying to point out yung paggawa nyo ng algorithm.

An algorithm (pronounced AL-go-rith-um) is a procedure or formula for solving a problem. The word derives from the name of the "mathematician", Mohammed ibn-Musa al-Khwarizmi. Al-Khwarizmi's work is the likely source for the word "algebra" as well.

A computer program can be viewed as an elaborate algorithm. In mathematics and computer science, an algorithm usually means a small procedure that solves a recurrent problem.

So in summation, para sa karamihan kasi, mathematics kasi is an abstract concept, ngayon dahil sa computer science nakakagawa tayo ng mga application kaya math now becomes concrete. So it would not matter talaga yung basis nyo kung malakas kayo sa math o hindi. pag nakakagawa kayo ng mga programs nyo then you are doing mathematics as well.

hahaha! gaya nga ng sabi ni gudboy... opinion ko lang i2. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:59 am

sensya na valrecx ha di lang ako sang ayon sa opinion mo about game na maraming math. para sakin di ganon kalaki ang contribution ng math sa programming buti pa logic gaya ng sinabi ni gudboygo2hell_remake para sakin kc iba ang MATH sa LOGIC. sabi ng instructor ko nung college ako ang MATH daw may LOGIC pero ang LOGIC walang MATH. siguro meron di sang ayon d2 for some reason with regards to programming totoo yon.

gaya nalang nitong logic na ito:

1+1=2 : yes! math ito dba. pero tignan nyo may logical operator cya na ginamit "=" equal sign.

text1.text = text2.text: yan malinaw na malinaw na logic yan pro wala mag math operator.

hahahahaha!... gaya ng sinabi ko logic.

ito'y opinion ko rin lang.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:07 pm

hehe kaya ko kasi natanong kung more math yung programming mahina ako sa math eh, tingin ko may idea rin xa ng konting
math tulad sabi ni sir dee cee, depende na siguro sa programmer kung panu nya iisipin un. pero thanks mga sir
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:28 pm

hehehe.. sir wag galit ha. gusto ko lang mag comment dun sa sinabi ng prof mo na ang logic walang math.

true by definition logic is the study of reasoning --- the nature of good (correct) reasoning and of bad (incorrect) reasoning. Its focus is the method or process by which an argument unfolds, not whether any arbitrary statement or series of statements is "true" or accurate. Logicians study and analyze arguments, premises, inferences, propositions, conditional statements, and symbolic forms.

As a "branch" of philosophy, logic is often broken down into many subsets: for instance, modal logic, many-valued logic, modern logic, symbolic logic, formal and informal logic, deductive and inductive logic.

The characteristic form of logistic or symbolic logic is the application of mathematical symbols to logic, and its substance is analysis of relation. The application of mathematical symbols to logic not only removes any such possible ambiguity but also greatly simplifies logical processes and admits of extending their application far beyond the province of the Aristotelian logic. The development of symbolic logic in the hands of A.N. Whitehead and Bertrand Russell has made it cover the same ground in its extension as the higher mathematics.

hehehe... hindi ko na po opinion... fact na ito.

yung pong mga symbols na ginagamit na tinatawag nating logical operators galing po yan sa mathematics which are the "inequality symbols".

Logical operators are generally derived from Boolean algebra, which is a mathematical way of manipulating the truth values of concepts in an abstract way without bothering about what the concepts actually mean.

valrecx.. dont worry you dont really need heavy math (at least yung basics alam mo) to code. if you just work on sa mid/low level language (like C) or higher level stuff pwede mo naman tap o gamitin yung pre-built frameworks and APIs nung language, you don't really need to understand the mathematical principles behind Fourier transforms or Huffman trees or Moebius strips... let someone else handle that, and you just build value on top of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:08 pm

hehehe! no comment sr. Very Happy
maybe I need more reading like you did.

ang point ko lang as a programmer we do not need math that much.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:14 am

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hehehe! no comment sr. Very Happy
maybe I need more reading like you did.

ang point ko lang as a programmer we do not need math that much.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:57 pm

hmm.. cguro nga sr. di natin kailangan un math masyado kc more on analyzing at algorithm ang unang nagppop-up sa utak natin.. pero kung susuriin natin, madalas natin nagagamit un Boolean Algebra example na lang sa mga condition..
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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:11 pm

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hmm.. cguro nga sr. di natin kailangan un math masyado kc more on analyzing at algorithm ang unang nagppop-up sa utak natin.. pero kung susuriin natin, madalas natin nagagamit un Boolean Algebra example na lang sa mga condition..

no comment ako dun... ahahahahaha... agree lang ako (+1 warn remake... 3 warns = ban)

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:28 pm

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hmm.. cguro nga sr. di natin kailangan un math masyado kc more on analyzing at algorithm ang unang nagppop-up sa utak natin.. pero kung susuriin natin, madalas natin nagagamit un Boolean Algebra example na lang sa mga condition..

hehehe.. sir pag sinabi nating algorithm.. math na po iyon... as i was trying to point out po... meron po kasi tayong applied math at pure math... marami po tayong ginagamit sa computer programming na under ng math kaya lang hindi natin alam dahil naintroduce sa atin under sa umbrela ng computer science.

anyway, i stumbled upon an ebook entitled "The Art of Computer Programming Vol 1 - 7" by Knuth under Addison Wesley Publishing. If you have the time to browse the pages... it might serve as an eye opener and an answer to the question "If we need Math in order to be a good programmer?"

and lolzzzzz... yung side commenter dont just "agree" (nakakaloko ka naman) bigay mo naman yung side mo para meron tayong pinag uusapan... malay mo kahit papano may mapulot kami ng matino syo.

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PostSubject: Re: Tips on how to become a good programmer   Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:51 pm

Ang tingin ko lang may math ang programming kasi sa ibang skul major ng com sci ang math, xempre discrete math eh pang comsci talaga ata? pero siguro pag algebra basic ideas lang, konting trigo siguro may konting analytic geometry and calculus, pero pag advanced math na tulad ng mga math ng engineering or archi hindi na natin ginagamit kasi di naman siguro kelangan ng time rates (di ba noel bang-asan? hehe) or kung ano pang advance. Ang point ko lang magiging good programmer pa rin tayo kahit di tayo maxadong magaling sa math. siguro? hehe

Difference daw ng math sa programming di ko pa maxadong binasa!!! pero baka makapagbigay ng idea.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?IsProgrammingMath

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